From: Stephen Lewicki [steve@hotkilns.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 7:55 PM
To: phil@elegantimports.us
Subject: re[2]: Element Analysis
Zircar Ceramics
Phil Hamling
100 North Main Street

Florida, NY 10921-0519
Phone: (845)651-6600
Fax: 1-845-651-0441

Hi - Phil,

 
I think with 2 elements this is the best we are going to get. I am betting on that the thicker diameter - which improves both the elements resistance to attack and probably more importantly increases the strength of the element because of the ratio of ID to wire diameter - will be a huge factor in element life.
 
I am finalizing a design with Jesse Hull for a J18X with 2mm elements, three rows of holders and lots of extra power (as much as a e23T in a smaller kiln). The watt density is about 13 watts/sq in with a stretch of 1.86. The actual use information from the two of you will be helpful in seeing more into this.
 
I am looking seriously at designing a new holder which would look like two of the standard holders stuck together. We have something like that which we have used for 40 or more years in our industrial furnaces with no problems at all. On the other hand - those furnaces don't abuse the elements in quite the same way as these super-high temperature kilns with little insulation! Anyway - if I do eventually design this I'll give you a good deal on replacement rings. I would guess, if I do move ahead with this, that it would take a year to impliment. It would definitely be THE solution for this whole element issue. This would give us some nice options in custom kilns as well as take care of the extreme users like you, Jesse and other cone 10 people. I doubt it is important for 90% of the people using kilns but it would be a nice option to have at any rate.
 
On another note - I am having a very strange thing take place in some of Bill Campbell's kilns where the DaVinci holders crack and blacken. I've seen this very rarely in a few other cases over the years. Jesse thinks it might be the zinc outgassing at high temperatures from the glaze and not being well ventilated (in a fully packed kiln). He thinks maybe the zinc is reacting to a local reduction atmosphere created by the silicon carbide in those holders (I do think there is a very localized surface atmosphere created by the SiC decomposing). ANy thoughts on this puzzler?
 
Best Regards,
 
Stephen Lewicki
President
L&L Kiln Mfg Inc.
505 Sharptown Road
Swedesboro, NJ 08085

Phone: (856) 294-0077 Ext 100
Fax: (856) 294-0070
Email: steve@hotkilns.com   
Web: www.hotkilns.com



 > Steve,
 > Thanks for this  analysis.
 > Stretch ratio is  the bottom line of my analysis (literally). See line 43.
 > Our numbers match  quite well. I think the only difference is that I
 >  calculated based on cold  resistance and you based on hot.
 > It looks like  stepping up to 2 mm APM wired in series will help the
 >  situation by lowering  the watt loading (currently ~3.3 w/sq. cm for 1.2mm
 >  dia. APM wired in parallel)  to ~2.9. It does look like a small change
 >  though. Kanthal's recommendation is  for watt loadings less than 2.2 and
 >  your competition is at 1.15 and 1.68. I  think in order to get there you
 >  will need to put more runs in each  unit.
 > I plan to order a  set of these 2 mm elements from you once I get back to
 >  work after the Holiday  and see if there is an improvement.
 > Phil
 >   
 >   
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Stephen Lewicki  [mailto:steve@hotkilns.com]
 > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:43  AM
 > To: phil@elegantimports.us
 > Subject: re: Element  Analysis

 >  
 >  
 > Phil -
 >   
 > Here is what I did - close to what you have there. You don't seem to
 >  calculate stretch ratio which is an important factor. The best balance that
 >  I  can see is the 2mm element (this is what I quoted you the other day).
 >   
 >   
 > Best Regards,
 >   
 > Stephen  Lewicki
 > President
 > L&L Kiln Mfg Inc.
 > 505 Sharptown  Road  
 > Swedesboro, NJ 08085

 > Phone: (856) 294-0077 Ext 100
 > Fax: (856) 294-0070
 > Email: steve@hotkilns.com   
 > Web: www.hotkilns.com



 >  
 >  > Steve,  
 >  > This spreadsheet  has been  updated to include info on Skutt's kiln.  
 >  >  http://www.puttgarden.com/crystal/coil/element_analysis.xls  
 >  > Phil